Not super soon. Truth is, I prefer to develop the game into a 2nd edition, which will likely be this year, going to print late next year. So the bundled pdf currently, especially with the sale price, will be the best way to get the game for now.
Thanks for coming back to me, hugely appreciated. Ill keep my eye out for 2nd edition next year and swing by the discord sometime. Thanks for the heads up on the sale price too!
Will the second addition incorporate the NPC/Location, Character sheet additions into one cohesive release or will those items say as separate entities and you’ll focus more on expanding the options, objects, and encounters of the game itself?
Yo quiero los dos, just curious what the focus of Fallen 2 would be. Excited for it! 😁
Hello! The discord is no longer active. As for community copies, I will no longer be issuing these. I have issued 230 community copies thus far for Fallen, and I rely on its sales for my income. PR
I have a physical copy of this game and i love it so much! There's just so many elements of design that feel fresh and unique, especially the magic system!
However i have two points of the rules im rather confused about:
1. The difference between Items (UD) and Gear (GD) is confusing. Is gear armour? Weapons? Or other non consumable items such as rope... why are the consumables, which use d6, rolled on a table labeled "gear"?
2. What do skill levels do? It just says they max to four, but only two of the skills (healing and incantation) refers to skill level. Are these the only skills that can be leveled up? But then the character sheet has four sections for every skill.
Thank you so much for your question! Glad you're enjoying the book. So, when I clean up the game, I hope to address and streamline both of these aspects of the game. However, for the time being:
1) Yes, some confusion. Sorry. Simplify it thus: Items are non-combative. Oil, Picks, Light, ammo, etc. This of weapons and armor as Gear. Firing pistol or using blade, etc.
2) When using a specific Skill, roll 2d6 + the Skills Level. So if you have Healing at 2, roll 2d6 + 2. If you roll a Success, then heal 1 + 2 = 3 Health. In this same example, if you roll Complication, only heal the base 1 Health (excluding Skill Level) , then roll Ud, to test if you've lost materials (herbs, bandages, etc)
I hope this has helped. But if not, please don't hesitate to comment again! This first edition has a few things I need to address when I update the game in the future :)
Any chance of more community copied being released? If not its all good, i'll just wait. Sorry to ask but I'm a bit low on funds. I'd be happy to write a review.
I love this game on every front. Just a quick note of support for Hillgraab, the unsung hero of this package and worth the asking price alone. A really great supplement for Fallen (or other system) with great concepts, content and artwork. More settlement/region stuff like this please!
Question: “Heal 1” means step up a rank dice, correct? While “heal 1 health” means move the pip on the dice up one? (Basically under Healing skill)? Also, for “places of disturbance”, how do you track time in Fallen (for tracking fear tokens)?
Hi! I purchased Fallen through Drive Thru Rpg but it doesn’t come with the world maps/hex map mentioned above? Is that something I’m missing? Is that in the Campaign notebook? Just want to make sure I’m not missing something cool for this awesome game. Thanks!
Hello, and thank you so much for picking up my game! yes, i suppose those maps were not put on there...they were not much really, mostly blank for starting a Fallen game
After reading Empire of the Vampire, I was exactly in the mood to play something like Fallen, I can't wait to try it out with players. After reading the rules, I give it a thumbs up
I have a query about advancements and tarnish points starting at rank d6 and having a maximum of d12 suggests that you can only advance 3 times, gaining 1 tarnish point per advance for a total of 3 tarnish points.
However, Bone Grafted and Light Ward both require 4 tarnish points, which is impossible to gain by the rules. Can you continue to advance without increasing your rank (just gaining skill points, ability points or narrative aspects), or did I miss a situation where your rank goes down again?
Hello Eleanor! thanks for checking out the game - this very point came up recently, and will get addressed in future games. Your no longer Rank up after 12, or 20, if your table prefers this...but you still advance per the other bonuses. of course, doing this forever, makes your Rogue far too strong, but I would move advancement towards tarnish points (and I encourage creating your own tarnish skills!) and aspects.
LOL. No, I don't want a refund. I gave more because I love the concept and the game. I just saw this in the post and made a horrible attempt at being funny.
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Support this game at or above a special price point to receive something exclusive.
oh! not sure why that should be there? In any case, thank you so very much :) I'm very grateful for the support, and hope you enjoy your sessions of Fallen!
Hi! I purchased the game on drivethrurpg and while building my first character, I noticed that all the skills except Investigation are included on the character sheet. There are 12 total skills but only 11 listed on the sheet. Is there something I’m missing?
Oh my gosh! you are correct, and truly the first person to make notice of it!! you are not missing anything, that was a strange oversight, that I think the Incantation field seemed to overshadow...
I just finished reading through the game PDF and I have questions and confusions. I hope you don't mind me posting them here.
Overall the game looks great, the layout is awesome, but I found a lot of the text overly terse and confusing. There are a lot of assumptions about play that the reader may not share. There are clearly good ideas here, but they are hard to dig out. I'm looking forward to a more clearly explained final product.
Comments below based on 1.3 update
On p5, the character sheet has a "Place of Peace" and "Place of Disturbance", but I am not sure how to use them. Is it the intention that you get 1 of each from the list on p9, and only those places give rest/fear?
On p5, the character sheet has space for Aspects, which are mentioned under advancing on p18 up — what do they do? Are they just narrative? Do they sometimes give advantage?
Also on teh character sheet, is AV Protection? Why does Health have a line through it?
On p6, if you have gear/position advantage, but 0 skill, is it a normal 2d6 roll, or disadvantage? i.e. do adv/Disad cancel out?
On p8 it says "At 0 (health), make a Luck check or die", but on p10 it says you need to burn a Luck Point to be able to test Luck — I think this is just the normal Luck used on each roll, but I'm not sure.
On p10 on the full PDF there is a formatting error, it says "Succeed and take 2 He Injuryalth & 1" ...
On p10, the rules for Consumables and Gear were not at all clear to me. I had many cases where I was confused as to what Ud was being rolled, because it was not clear (to me) that there was a single Ud per character, rather than per type of item (which I have seen in other games). I think the text here could be improved to make that easier to understand.
Also, since all items deplete at the same time, what's the point in having multiple consumable items? Do they give the "advantage from gear" on p6?
To be sure I understand the rules — you roll Ud on many skill failures, and this can cause all my gear to simultaneously vanish? Similarly foraging can cause me to have more candles or iron spikes? You roll Gd after every round of a firefight, so shooting a few times can cause my armour to break?
On p10 it says only the first 4 items in the inventory are available to use in close combat, does that include armour? i.e. does armour have to be in the first 4 slots to count?
On p11 there are numbers listed by weapons, is that meant to be Harm?
On p11 what is the point of armour with protection 0? e.g. the mask.
Also on p11, characters begin with silver peices, and there is a spot for money on the character sheet, but no prices for items (exepct the horse on p12) — is the intention to just use some price list from outside the game? Given that horses are 10s, it's hard to think of a price list that would be suitable.
On p12 you suggest that firearms will end most encounters (due to damage done, presumably), but the pistol on p11 does less damage than the crossbow, so this seems odd.
On p12, under horses, you give horses a Ud, but (if I read correctly) simply decrement it instead of rolling it, which makes it not a Ud?
On p13, under firearms, Black and Purple's rolls appear to be reversed (at least, if I am understanding correctly — I am not sure I am, the dueling page is very hard to read).
On p15 Lore complication says "lose d6", lose d6 what?
On p20, in the exploration proceedure, players roll Ud on a Miss. On p14 the Exploration skill says to also roll Ud on a complication, and to Suffer the Fate on a miss, but neither of these are mentioned on p20, which is right?
On p24+ the creatures in the bestiary have a Fear score, but the fear proceedure on p9 just says you make a Will test when you face something horrifying, so I'm not sure what the score is for. Is it a modifer to fear tests? Something else?
Hello! thanks so much for checking out Fallen, giving it a thorough read AND posting your questions. its perfect. First, Fallen is a work in progress document, and updated files WILL get uploaded here, but for now, I will try my best to clarify for you here:
1) there are some assumptions yes. Also, I am in the midst of leaning personally towards a stronger narrative component in my own play
2) Places - yes, you gain them on creation, and then infuse them into your play narrtively. but you can also include the fear mechanics stated
3) AV is the value from armor, yes protection. Health line is to split: Max And Current
4) so normally roll 2d6 for ability or skill. But if you happen to have something that helps, roll 3d6 and take the two higher, and two lowest if disadvantaged
5) Luck functions like a get-out card. Use those points to possible alter an outcome. But careful. because you may need luck to prevent death, which yes, functions like a regular luck check
6) aware of the formatting error. Currently having the book edited, and this was fixed and new file coming soon!
7) Ud & Gd: this will be getting more testing. I happen to like the Ud method, but dont care for having to roll it for every item, nor do I really like 1 universal Ud for everything, so was hoping to compromise by have 2: one for items, one for gear. I have received both positive and negative feedback on this...will keep your comments in mind too, for the final text
8) good question and point: I have it in mind that armor is static. first 4 slots for usable goods...will look how to rephrase this
9) numbers for weapons is HARM and , some armor has 0, its true, less useful that way, but to be used in a narrative capacity
10) prices: i will be integrating prices into the current list, but may be composing a small paragraph for general ideas, I would also suggest, using the horse price as a marker, you are also free to determine prices for your table
11) firearms: excellent point - this is carry over from narrative - the update will delete the caveat. Harm is harm. cross bolts will likely disappear too...
12) Horse dice: this is true (had lack of better term...now considering reduction die, attrition die, this will be phrased differently
13) firearms dueling: this was the last thing I added for the update: but , should read Black fires first (lower d4) - the text is being edited as we speak, where a better writer than I will be helping me fix these things
14) Lore: was carry over from pre- static system. was lose d6 HP...I have just changed to lose 1 Health - this will be in newest update
15) Exploration: I added more specifically the Ud AND Suffer table on age 20. on complication, roll Ud. On miss roll Ud and Suffer.
16) If you face a creature with a Fear score. test Will. On a Miss, take Fear Tokens = to that Creatures Fear Score.
OK, I hope this clears some things up for you. It certainly has for me. I want to thank you. This was an incredibly generous read of the text. I will be implementing feedback from here in the book. Please feel free to join the Discord server, linked on the page, if you care to. I am waiting to do new upload, as the text is being edited, changes have been made from 1.2 already. Soon I hope. Be well!
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Hi again, is there a print friendly version of the books? I printed out everything and the black pages with white writing are hard to read on paper.
Thank you
I do not have a plain text version at this time.
okay thanks. I’ll try and work out how to reprint the black pages in reverse.
Is this coming back in print any time soon? No worries if not ill just grab the PDF to PnP.
Not super soon. Truth is, I prefer to develop the game into a 2nd edition, which will likely be this year, going to print late next year. So the bundled pdf currently, especially with the sale price, will be the best way to get the game for now.
Thanks for coming back to me, hugely appreciated. Ill keep my eye out for 2nd edition next year and swing by the discord sometime. Thanks for the heads up on the sale price too!
Will the second addition incorporate the NPC/Location, Character sheet additions into one cohesive release or will those items say as separate entities and you’ll focus more on expanding the options, objects, and encounters of the game itself?
Yo quiero los dos, just curious what the focus of Fallen 2 would be. Excited for it! 😁
I’m a disabled pensioner. I’d really appreciate a community copy if you could spare one please.
Also is there a new link to the discord group?
Hello! The discord is no longer active. As for community copies, I will no longer be issuing these. I have issued 230 community copies thus far for Fallen, and I rely on its sales for my income. PR
oh okay, thanks for the quick reply.
thank you for putting this on sale. Just purchased it
For sure! Thank you so much for the support, I hope you enjoy it :)
Hey there, any chance of community copies?
I have a physical copy of this game and i love it so much! There's just so many elements of design that feel fresh and unique, especially the magic system!
However i have two points of the rules im rather confused about:
1. The difference between Items (UD) and Gear (GD) is confusing. Is gear armour? Weapons? Or other non consumable items such as rope... why are the consumables, which use d6, rolled on a table labeled "gear"?
2. What do skill levels do? It just says they max to four, but only two of the skills (healing and incantation) refers to skill level. Are these the only skills that can be leveled up? But then the character sheet has four sections for every skill.
Thank you so much for your question! Glad you're enjoying the book. So, when I clean up the game, I hope to address and streamline both of these aspects of the game. However, for the time being:
1) Yes, some confusion. Sorry. Simplify it thus: Items are non-combative. Oil, Picks, Light, ammo, etc. This of weapons and armor as Gear. Firing pistol or using blade, etc.
2) When using a specific Skill, roll 2d6 + the Skills Level. So if you have Healing at 2, roll 2d6 + 2. If you roll a Success, then heal 1 + 2 = 3 Health. In this same example, if you roll Complication, only heal the base 1 Health (excluding Skill Level) , then roll Ud, to test if you've lost materials (herbs, bandages, etc)
I hope this has helped. But if not, please don't hesitate to comment again! This first edition has a few things I need to address when I update the game in the future :)
that has helped a lot! Thank you!
I’d love to pick up a print copy but there doesn’t appear to be any on the link in the description above. Is there any way to get a print copy still?
Hello!
At this point, this is the only available print copy: it does include both books, three card decks and a separate campaign notebook!
https://www.exaltedfuneral.com/products/fallen-standard?_pos=2&_sid=8e2f63f5d&_ss=r&variant=41788360065126
Awesome thanks for letting me know. I managed to grab a copy!
Awesome! thank you for the support - hope you enjoy the game! great gaming to you :)
The Discord link no-longer works. Has the Discord closed? I was a member before and now I’m not, but I don’t know if that was me, or the server.
Yes, I closed the discord yesterday. I made announcements to hopefully let folks know.
Ahh, I didn’t see that. That’s sad. I was hoping to go back to check the FAQ. Is it listed anywhere else? Also, now I can’t message you on Discord :(
Very sorry. The Discord has been there for a long time, both for DMs and FAQs. I can be reached in discord under perplexingruins
Said faq and any resources are no longer viewable elsewhere then?
Any chance of more community copied being released? If not its all good, i'll just wait. Sorry to ask but I'm a bit low on funds. I'd be happy to write a review.
Just uploaded more Community Copies! Thank you for your interest and enjoy
Thanks! I really appreciate it! I'll have a read and give it a spin then leave a review
I love this game on every front. Just a quick note of support for Hillgraab, the unsung hero of this package and worth the asking price alone. A really great supplement for Fallen (or other system) with great concepts, content and artwork. More settlement/region stuff like this please!
Oh wow! thank you so much for these kind words. It really means a lot. Always hoping folks find Hilgraab useful. Good gaming!
Hi. New to ttrpgs. Is it possible to get an community copy? Thanks for your answer.
Could I ask for some community copies?
There are now community copies!
Thank you, you're the best! 😄
Hi! I was wondering if you would be adding community copies? Thanks!
What kind of dice do I need to play this?
a set of polyhedral RPG dice -
Ok, I figured stuff out mostly.
Question: “Heal 1” means step up a rank dice, correct? While “heal 1 health” means move the pip on the dice up one? (Basically under Healing skill)?
Also, for “places of disturbance”, how do you track time in Fallen (for tracking fear tokens)?
Thank you! Fallen is amazing
Hi! I purchased Fallen through Drive Thru Rpg but it doesn’t come with the world maps/hex map mentioned above? Is that something I’m missing? Is that in the Campaign notebook? Just want to make sure I’m not missing something cool for this awesome game. Thanks!
Hello, and thank you so much for picking up my game! yes, i suppose those maps were not put on there...they were not much really, mostly blank for starting a Fallen game
Ok cool no problem! Just making sure. I’m about to get my ass kicked by a giant flay spider at a cairn in the Woods Of Despair! Cheers!
lol! awesome. those things are gnarly, for sure! good luck and good gaming to you...and thanks again, really :)
I love this game. Simple, fun rules and such an evocative theme. I can see spending a lot of time in this world.
After reading Empire of the Vampire, I was exactly in the mood to play something like Fallen, I can't wait to try it out with players. After reading the rules, I give it a thumbs up
Thanks so much for checking out Fallen. Hope you have fun with it
Great showcase of Fallen and other amazing stuff from Perplexing Ruins!
hello! just a heads up, you have "creaturesusing" in your description here on itch. also looks like a really cool game, and very well presented
I'm very much enjoying playing Fallen!
I have a query about advancements and tarnish points starting at rank d6 and having a maximum of d12 suggests that you can only advance 3 times, gaining 1 tarnish point per advance for a total of 3 tarnish points.
However, Bone Grafted and Light Ward both require 4 tarnish points, which is impossible to gain by the rules. Can you continue to advance without increasing your rank (just gaining skill points, ability points or narrative aspects), or did I miss a situation where your rank goes down again?
Hello Eleanor! thanks for checking out the game - this very point came up recently, and will get addressed in future games. Your no longer Rank up after 12, or 20, if your table prefers this...but you still advance per the other bonuses. of course, doing this forever, makes your Rogue far too strong, but I would move advancement towards tarnish points (and I encourage creating your own tarnish skills!) and aspects.
Hope this helps
Thank you for your quick reply! That makes sense!
Dang. Didn't hit the special price point for the Exclusive Content. Maybe next time. Great game and well thought out.
hmmm....there's an exclusive content item? do you want a refund?
LOL. No, I don't want a refund. I gave more because I love the concept and the game. I just saw this in the post and made a horrible attempt at being funny.
Exclusive content
Support this game at or above a special price point to receive something exclusive.
oh! not sure why that should be there? In any case, thank you so very much :) I'm very grateful for the support, and hope you enjoy your sessions of Fallen!
Hi! I purchased the game on drivethrurpg and while building my first character, I noticed that all the skills except Investigation are included on the character sheet. There are 12 total skills but only 11 listed on the sheet. Is there something I’m missing?
Oh my gosh! you are correct, and truly the first person to make notice of it!! you are not missing anything, that was a strange oversight, that I think the Incantation field seemed to overshadow...
Glad to help! Hehe
Please note that the investigation skill is on the original plain character sheet which can be downloaded here: https://www.perplexingruins.com/fallencharactersheet
Hi there, I am captivated by Fallen but cannot afford it at the moment. Could I please claim a community copy? There are none available right now.
Really nice adding the Hillgraab city, i'll use it for my solo games. Could you publish it in a single page format? Thanks and congrats
Thanks Alex! I have just uploaded a compressed pdf of the single pages! hope that helps. Enjoy the game.
Thank you very much!
Evocative text. Phenomenal art,. Actionable oracles. A setting that begs to be explored. A system that's simple to grab hold of, but grabs right back.
Perplexing Ruins done gone and made a good one.
Thank you! So glad you are enjoying it :)
Hi.
I just finished reading through the game PDF and I have questions and confusions. I hope you don't mind me posting them here.
Overall the game looks great, the layout is awesome, but I found a lot of the text overly terse and confusing. There are a lot of assumptions about play that the reader may not share. There are clearly good ideas here, but they are hard to dig out. I'm looking forward to a more clearly explained final product.
Comments below based on 1.3 update
On p5, the character sheet has a "Place of Peace" and "Place of Disturbance", but I am not sure how to use them. Is it the intention that you get 1 of each from the list on p9, and only those places give rest/fear?
On p5, the character sheet has space for Aspects, which are mentioned under advancing on p18 up — what do they do? Are they just narrative? Do they sometimes give advantage?
Also on teh character sheet, is AV Protection? Why does Health have a line through it?
On p6, if you have gear/position advantage, but 0 skill, is it a normal 2d6 roll, or disadvantage? i.e. do adv/Disad cancel out?
On p8 it says "At 0 (health), make a Luck check or die", but on p10 it says you need to burn a Luck Point to be able to test Luck — I think this is just the normal Luck used on each roll, but I'm not sure.
On p10 on the full PDF there is a formatting error, it says "Succeed and take 2 He Injuryalth & 1" ...
On p10, the rules for Consumables and Gear were not at all clear to me. I had many cases where I was confused as to what Ud was being rolled, because it was not clear (to me) that there was a single Ud per character, rather than per type of item (which I have seen in other games). I think the text here could be improved to make that easier to understand.
Also, since all items deplete at the same time, what's the point in having multiple consumable items? Do they give the "advantage from gear" on p6?
To be sure I understand the rules — you roll Ud on many skill failures, and this can cause all my gear to simultaneously vanish? Similarly foraging can cause me to have more candles or iron spikes? You roll Gd after every round of a firefight, so shooting a few times can cause my armour to break?
On p10 it says only the first 4 items in the inventory are available to use in close combat, does that include armour? i.e. does armour have to be in the first 4 slots to count?
On p11 there are numbers listed by weapons, is that meant to be Harm?
On p11 what is the point of armour with protection 0? e.g. the mask.
Also on p11, characters begin with silver peices, and there is a spot for money on the character sheet, but no prices for items (exepct the horse on p12) — is the intention to just use some price list from outside the game? Given that horses are 10s, it's hard to think of a price list that would be suitable.
On p12 you suggest that firearms will end most encounters (due to damage done, presumably), but the pistol on p11 does less damage than the crossbow, so this seems odd.
On p12, under horses, you give horses a Ud, but (if I read correctly) simply decrement it instead of rolling it, which makes it not a Ud?
On p13, under firearms, Black and Purple's rolls appear to be reversed (at least, if I am understanding correctly — I am not sure I am, the dueling page is very hard to read).
On p15 Lore complication says "lose d6", lose d6 what?
On p20, in the exploration proceedure, players roll Ud on a Miss. On p14 the Exploration skill says to also roll Ud on a complication, and to Suffer the Fate on a miss, but neither of these are mentioned on p20, which is right?
On p24+ the creatures in the bestiary have a Fear score, but the fear proceedure on p9 just says you make a Will test when you face something horrifying, so I'm not sure what the score is for. Is it a modifer to fear tests? Something else?
Hello! thanks so much for checking out Fallen, giving it a thorough read AND posting your questions. its perfect. First, Fallen is a work in progress document, and updated files WILL get uploaded here, but for now, I will try my best to clarify for you here:
1) there are some assumptions yes. Also, I am in the midst of leaning personally towards a stronger narrative component in my own play
2) Places - yes, you gain them on creation, and then infuse them into your play narrtively. but you can also include the fear mechanics stated
3) AV is the value from armor, yes protection. Health line is to split: Max And Current
4) so normally roll 2d6 for ability or skill. But if you happen to have something that helps, roll 3d6 and take the two higher, and two lowest if disadvantaged
5) Luck functions like a get-out card. Use those points to possible alter an outcome. But careful. because you may need luck to prevent death, which yes, functions like a regular luck check
6) aware of the formatting error. Currently having the book edited, and this was fixed and new file coming soon!
7) Ud & Gd: this will be getting more testing. I happen to like the Ud method, but dont care for having to roll it for every item, nor do I really like 1 universal Ud for everything, so was hoping to compromise by have 2: one for items, one for gear. I have received both positive and negative feedback on this...will keep your comments in mind too, for the final text
8) good question and point: I have it in mind that armor is static. first 4 slots for usable goods...will look how to rephrase this
9) numbers for weapons is HARM and , some armor has 0, its true, less useful that way, but to be used in a narrative capacity
10) prices: i will be integrating prices into the current list, but may be composing a small paragraph for general ideas, I would also suggest, using the horse price as a marker, you are also free to determine prices for your table
11) firearms: excellent point - this is carry over from narrative - the update will delete the caveat. Harm is harm. cross bolts will likely disappear too...
12) Horse dice: this is true (had lack of better term...now considering reduction die, attrition die, this will be phrased differently
13) firearms dueling: this was the last thing I added for the update: but , should read Black fires first (lower d4) - the text is being edited as we speak, where a better writer than I will be helping me fix these things
14) Lore: was carry over from pre- static system. was lose d6 HP...I have just changed to lose 1 Health - this will be in newest update
15) Exploration: I added more specifically the Ud AND Suffer table on age 20. on complication, roll Ud. On miss roll Ud and Suffer.
16) If you face a creature with a Fear score. test Will. On a Miss, take Fear Tokens = to that Creatures Fear Score.
OK, I hope this clears some things up for you. It certainly has for me. I want to thank you. This was an incredibly generous read of the text. I will be implementing feedback from here in the book. Please feel free to join the Discord server, linked on the page, if you care to. I am waiting to do new upload, as the text is being edited, changes have been made from 1.2 already. Soon I hope. Be well!